Archive for March 2012

Inside the Songs: Cahalen Morrison & Eli West's Rugged Wordplay

One of our favorite albums of 2011 was The Holy Coming of the Storm, by Cahalen Morrison & Eli West. We were proud to help run publicity on it because we believe then (and now) that their music was a game changer. Cahalen and Eli's songs were so tight, so perfectly written, and their arrangements so angular and powerful. We just loved the album. And so did lots of other people. We've been hoping for a chance to get Cahalen to talk about some of his songwriting process and to go over a few of the more beautiful songs from the album to add background. Now here we are! Here's what Cahalen had to say about three of the key songs from his album with Eli West.


Inside the Songs with Cahalen Morrison

"My Lover, Adorned"
(written w/and sung by Eli West)

"For me, few novels have such strong imagery like any of those by Cormac McCarthy. The sparse quality of McCarthy's writing allows the reader to do much of the work themselves. The kind of writing I enjoy most, and the kind that comes across in the most powerful way, is the style that McCarthy uses. Four lines of sparse (maybe even dry) prose, followed by a line of poetry that knocks you out of your rhythm. So, you stop, and read it again, letting the subtlety sink in. The whole book [McCarthy's All the Pretty Horses] flows in this way, to me. I was struck by so many one-liners in the book, that I wound up with a sheet of paper, stuck in the back cover, covered in lines and page numbers. A few months after I had finished the book, I went back through, and reread the lines that had stuck out to me before. One passage had especially beautiful imagery, so I decided to expand on it, using one line. 'John Grady stood his saddle upright to the fire and walked out on the prairie and stood listening. He could see the Pumpville watertank against the purple sky. And beside it the horned moon. He could hear the horses cropping grass a hundred yards away. The prairie otherwise lay blue and silent all about.' (p. 42) I used the line in a slightly different context, but still in line with the story, the song ends up being more of a parallel, than being completely true to the story, being that I was also drawing from personal experiences, and weaving the two together."

"Jealous Sea"

"I spent a month in Boston, visiting a friend a few years ago, and ended up with a woman on my mind that was out west. This being my first time enduring an east coast, maritime winter, I was quite taken by the complete and utter dreadfulness of the sleet, snow, and wind. And, as it would seem, the combination of longing for love and terrible weather make a good mindset for songwriting. The song ended up being situated upon mother nature keeping this woman away from me, at any expense. This is another song that I borrowed one of my favorite lines for. But, this line came from one of my favorite Tom Waits songs, 'All The World Was Green,' which I used as a whole, unashamedly. I hope he won't mind."

"On God's Rocky Shore"

"For this song, I stuck with the fairly basic model using imagery, song structure and harmonic devices that run deep and common in Old-Time music. There is not necessarily too much glue that holds the verses together, and not really a storyline that the song follows, as each verse is stand-alone, and only ties in subtly to the rest. The title of the record, The Holy Coming of the Storm, comes from the last line of this song. I grew up in Northern New Mexico, and am always in awe of the severity and intensity of what nature does in the desert. This line, 'The creek is rising, on up to the shower, the holy coming of the storm,' is referring to flash floods in the summer, when there is not a cloud in the sky, but all of a sudden, there is a wall of velvety, brown water tearing down the arroyos, wiping out anything in its path. And the storm may or may not show its face in whatever particular canyon you are in. It all seems so counter-intuitive, and definitely speaks to something that is part of the bigger picture. "

NW Friends: Cahalen Morrison will be sharing the stage with Kelly Joe Phelps (another favorite songwriter of ours) this Sunday, March 25, at the Tractor Tavern. Dang! Don't miss it! He's playing Bellingham on Saturday, and Portland next Thursday. WWW.CAHALEN.COM

blog date 03/25/2012  | comments comments (0)

Hearth Recommends: Washover Fans & The Loom, March 24, Seattle

I've been sleeping on The Washover Fans for a long time now, ignoring their charming emails and their catchy posters (usually just huge font renditions of their name which work because these guys have excellent taste in fonts), and missing all their shows in Seattle. Well, that shit stops NOW. Their new album, Live at Empty Sea (drops tomorrow!), is absolutely stunning, all the more so for being a live album that sounds like it was made in an expensive studio. This isn't easy to pull off, in fact most live albums are hampered both by performances noticeably rougher than a polished studio take w/edits, and sub-par sound and mixing. It's not easy to make a live album, believe me, I know. Huge kudos goes here to Empty Sea Studios, where the live recording was made. We've been writing about them a lot recently, but clearly with good reason.

On Live at Empty Sea Studios, The Washover Fans revel in the simple beauty of acoustic harmonies. Their voices mesh effortlessly, and their instruments are tight accompanists to the songs (with some particularly delicious mandolin and steel guitar lines), which have quite catchy melodies. It's folk music done right; nothing fancy, but "tous qu'il faut" as the French say (which means "everything you'd need"). The songs are deceptively simple odes to love and love lost, nothing necessarily new here, but this is a large cut above the many singer-songwriter CDs I've been listening to recently. Really, this kind of folk music comes down to the lyrics and the deftness of the music, and here's where The Washover Fans really stick out. Their words are subtle, thoughtful, and bring new light to old ideas. They're bringing a much needed creativity to folk music, and when they drop covers on the new album (like Patti Griffin's "Rain", or "These Days" from Jackson Browne), they're chosen with care and given a sweet, sorrowful sound.

The Washover Fans: The Next One

So, March 24 is their CD Release Party at Columbia City Theater. We've raved about this venue plenty of times on the Hearth Music blog, so suffice it to say that we've loved every show we've seen at that Theater.

Also appearing with The Washover Fans will be The Loom, an excellent buzz-worthy indie-roots band based out of New York. They first came to our attention via Crossbill Records, a Davis, CA-based record label led by Michael Leahy, an amazing tastemaker whose work has been a continual inspiration to us. Labelmates for the Loom include Matt Bauer and Dana Falconberry.

The Loom's new album, Teeth, is a great bit of chamber-folk, showcasing the larger arrangements of the band, and their dark vision of backwoods Americana. There are some very special moments on their album, like the heart-breaking trumpet line that leads the opening track "With Legs", or the haunting, eerie orchestration of my favorite cut on the album, "For the hooves that gallop, and the heels that march" They're exactly the kind of band you want to see live; it would be fun to see how all the musicians in the band interact and their ambitious group arrangements are gonna be a feat of choreography to pull off.

The Loom: With Legs


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blog date 03/22/2012  | comments comments (0)

Inside the Songs: Rita Hosking's California Cornish Roots

I grew up in Grass Valley and Nevada City, two conjoined towns in the foothills of Northern California's Sierra Nevada mountains. This was the heart of Gold Rush country, and Nevada City is home to a historic gold mine (the oldest and the largest, in fact), Empire Mine. I grew up far out in the woods, and could hike to a small stream near our home and an abandoned mine, where I used to play as a kid (real safe, right?). Besides old bottles and cans littered around the mine, there was a line of miner's boots tied to a tree outside the shaft and an old rusted mine car across the stream in the bushes. So even though mining was pretty much done out there, Grass Valley and Nevada City still have a lot of roots in mining culture, and one of these main roots was Cornish. Brought to the region in the 1870s for their mining expertise, Cornish immigrants brought a distinct culture to Northern California. Today you can still buy Cornish pasties (delicious pastries that are kind of a cross between a calzone and a pot pie) at Marshall's Pasties downtown, and every year Grass Valley hosts a Cornish Christmas celebration. Musically, though, there isn't too much left.

Cornwall is a Celtic region in Britain, with a language similar to Welsh or French Breton, but the music of the Cornish miners in the States was primarily vocal music, performed in large men's choirs. They also loved brass bands as well, and some still survive in the surrounding area.

I'd always wondered about the musical roots of the region, so I was very excited when I heard recently that renowned California songwriter Rita Hosking actually came from Cornish family roots and had been looking into the music. So in honor of her upcoming visit to the Northwest, I decided to go "inside the songs" with her.

Rita's Background: 
"Only my grandparents/great-grandparents lived in Grass Valley--My great-grandpa, Tom Hosking, worked at Empire Mines. He and his wife Ida (my nana) grew up in Cornwall in mining families, were married there, then emigrated to the U.S. Before Grass Valley, they had lived in northern Michigan and then Butte, Montana, like many Cornish miners did. In Grass Valley they lived on 123 Empire Street (a short walk down from the mine.) Tom was one of the last to emerge from the mine when it closed in 1956, because he was turning off the pumps. (He had become chief mine mechanic.) He understood the history that was being flooded and grabbed a few items like level signs, etc., some of which we still have.

The Cornish have a strong singing tradition, and Tom sang in the Cornish Carol Choir, the Grass Valley Carol Choir, Cornish Glee Club, The California Cornish Gold Mining Singers, and any sort of singing club he and his peers came up with (as did their sons.) Cornish miners have a reputation for singing underground, though I've read that it subsided with the introduction of different ethnic groups into the mines--they become self-conscious around others. However, I think it was still pretty strong in Grass Valley, and at Christmas in 1940 he and many other miners were broadcast singing live from underground in the Idaho/Maryland Mine [in Grass Valley] on NBC. Pretty amazing. They say the response from around the country was huge--people were very moved by hearing these miners singing from underground and their special Cornish carols. I've also read that NBC might have arranged this because the govt. was keen to find broadcasts to help spread awareness and comradery with the English, who were of course targets of the Nazis at that time.

We heard stories of the miners from my grandfathers, recordings of the singing, and photographs. When Christmas came around, my sister and I were told to shut up and sit down, and my father would put on the old records. He and his father would stand and sing or hum to the music, tears in their eyes. As I say in one of my bios, I grew up with a strong respect for the power of the voice--this is what I'm talking about. I could pick out my great grandfather's voice too, even though I'd never heard him sing in real life--I knew his voice. It was a soaring tenor. If you are interested in reading about these folks, there's a fabulous book called When Miners Sang, the Grass Valley Carol Choir, by Gage McKinney. It can be ordered with CD's too, which I must say are easier to play than my parents old 78's. There are several pictures with my great grandpa in them, and a little paragraph about him, too. I named a song on my most recent record, Burn, after the book, whose title I love--When Miners Sang, with the author's permission.

Rita Hosking: When Miners Sang

"My heart is stirring with a noble song" [Psalms 45]
Of a young girl who loved plants and the sky
Of her father who mined in the dark all day long
She gave to him gifts to remember her by

Daddy please take this dandelion
You can take it below, hold up and blow
Watch all the seeds scatter and fly
You say they can't grow, but maybe they'll try

She placed in his pail a lilac flower
He found it at noon, its fragrance so true
All the men marveled at the beauty and power
In the light of the lamps, little lilac flower

Oh Daddy please take this pretty love song
You can sing it below, then I will know
When you are lonely, or need to feel strong
He began with it softly, the men sang along

Oh sweetheart what have I to give to you?
With pain in his heart and love in his eyes
I am a poor miner, what worth have I?
You deserve all the riches money can buy

Oh Daddy, you pay for our food on our table
And you play with me when you are able
I know what you and the others are makin'
It's gold for the ladies and sad, sad singin'
It's gold for the ladies and sad, pretty singin'

"My father remembers the performances they did outside the mine, in halls and such. He remembers one performance at the state fair when he was a child. His grandpa and friends were dressed in their work clothes, even with the helmets, lunch pails, some tools and such. They sang to the rhythm of a hammer hitting steel -- we have a photo of his grandpa holding such a hammer on a stage, dressed out as my dad describes them. I've got a quote and photo inside my Silver Stream album. I don't perform any distinctly Cornish music, however the song I wrote called When Miners Sang was intentionally influenced by Celtic sounds, which I think you'll hear. I wrote it special for the underground recording, but liked it a lot so took it to the studio album as well."

[Rita's speaking here about the fascinating EP she recorded in 2010, Live in the 16 to 1 Mine. Joined by her daughter and husband, and gathered around a single microphone, the trio of musicians recorded a handful of songs about mining, some sourced from Utah Philips, some from Rita's pen, and some traditional, in the depths of an actual working gold mine.] Here's a track from that album:

Rita Hosking: Bright Morning Stars

"I've had the great honor of touring in the UK twice now, and plan to go back in a year's time. Both times I made sure to visit Cornwall (or Kernow, as the locals say) and already have some lovely friends there, in addition to many folks I've met simply because Hosking is such a commonly Cornish name, and they are curious. I'd love to return sometime when I'm not in a rush/tour. Brought our kids on the first trip, and properly indoctrinated them in the pleasures of Cornish pumps, steam engines, etc..."


Rita's newest album, Burn, is a wonderful pastiche of Northern California life, drawing both from her family's roots in Grass Valley's Cornish culture, and from her own childhood growing up outside of Mount Shasta, about three and a half hours Northwest of Grass Valley, into the middle of the state. The larger-than-life country characters she grew up around peek into her songs and inform her hard-scrabble, earthy songwriting. Sometimes these influences are subtle, only to be understood by those who come from the region. I loved her song "My Demolition Man," having grown up around Demolition Derby drivers in California, where the sport is quite popular in rural areas. Her music is clearly rooted in Northern California, but her songwriting touches something much deeper than the simple culture of home. She's writing about the deeper parts that fuel us and help us drive our lives.

Rita Hosking: My Demolition Man



Rita Hosking: Burn


Rita Hosking & Sean Feder: Live in the 16 to 1 Mine


blog date 03/16/2012  | comments comments (2)

HearthPR: Fiddle Traditions Intertwine with Mariel Vandersteel

Here at HearthPR we love great fiddling. If we had our way, we'd work with fiddlers all the time! So we're very happy to be promoting the new album from young Boston fiddler Mariel Vandersteel. She's found a fascinating common ground between the fiddle traditions of Scandinavia (Norway) and Southern old-time music. Her album, Hickory, effortlessly blends the two, along with tunes she's composed herself or learned from friends in the Boston trad music scene. This album is a wonderful testament to the kind of music a masterful artist can make when they truly love the roots of the music.


For roots music to work, it needs to well up from a deep sense of love for the tradition. On the debut album, Hickory, from Boston fiddler Mariel Vandersteel, you can sense this love of the music in every beat. Each tune, drawn from old-time and Norwegian fiddle styles, has the mark of a musical memory. Perhaps a night of music among friends, or a fiddle lesson in Norway, or even a moment alone under a pine tree with her fiddle. You can hear the joy she takes in her music, and it helps that she’s a deft and subtle fiddler, able to draw the kind of emotion out of instrumental music that you’d expect from a song. She’s also a master at finding common ground between two traditions. Inspired by the beautiful harmonies of the Norwegian hardanger fiddle, she found a connection to the drone-heavy syncopations of Southern old-time fiddling. On Hickory, she effortlessly blends the two traditions together, reveling in the rich, acoustic tones of true folk music. Her fiddling lies somewhere between the old fjords of Norway and the ancient Blue Ridge Mountains.

Hickory is a product of Boston’s vibrant roots music scene, and it shows both in the music and in the friends that Mariel brings along with her. Respected guitarist Jordan Tice anchors the accompaniment on the album, while noted instrumentalists like Scottish harpist Maeve Gilchrist, mandolinist Dominick Leslie and bassist Sam Grisman of the Deadly Gentlemen, fiddler Tristan Clarridge of the Bee Eaters and Crooked Still, and guest fiddler Duncan Wickel contribute to the lush arrangements of the album. Throughout, Mariel’s fiddling shines like a polished gem, at turns racing through an old-time tune like the title track “Hickory,” or spinning gently along, as in the tune she wrote called “Sitting on the Ridge.” Mysterious old Norwegian tunes rub shoulders here with new compositions from Keith Murphy and Dirk Powell, compositions from Mariel herself, and old-time tunes inspired by sources like John Hartford and Foghorn Stringband.

Hickory is an inspiring testament to the power of the old tunes, and the new tunes that we continue to write. This is proof positive that traditional fiddling holds the same power today that it did hundreds of years ago. Hickory is an album of music with its roots deep in the past and its branches reaching into a new century.

Mariel Vandersteel: Sitting on the Ridge

Mariel Vandersteel: Norafjølls

Coming soon for purchase...

blog date 03/14/2012  | comments comments (0)

Empty Sea TV: An Online Concert Series

This is a pretty cool development! Michael Connolly at Empty Sea Studios in Seattle ( has developed a live webcast program for some of their upcoming folk/roots/acoustic concerts. It's a great way to see a show you might otherwise miss because you don't live in Seattle, and it's a really cool idea for artists and venues. I think the Freight & Salvage does this too, but Michael's got multiple cameras and camera angles running, plus HD video. He debuted the series with Amy Ray of the Indigo Girls, which was really successful. The "chat interface" which let internet audience members "talk" during the concert is a totally fascinating idea.

As Michael explains: "Having spent a good part of 2010 and 2011 touring on the road with Coyote Grace, I strongly believe that live webcasting of concerts, if done well and priced fairly, will go a long way towards creating sustainable careers for professional musicians. We've got new webcasts being confirmed on a near-daily basis, and in the future we’re planning on offering workshops and masterclasses as well."

Check out this wonderful song, "Monster," from Portland, ME folk singer Connor Garvey, which showcases the video capabilities of Empty Sea Studios.

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Anyone else doing webcasts like this? It seems like a wonderful new business opportunity for venues (though also a lot of work!).


Here's a list of upcoming Empty Sea Studios concerts that will be webcast:

March 17th: Brittany Haas & Lauren Rioux

March 18th: Rita Hosking & Cousin Jack

April 6th: Chimney Choir and Huck Notari

April 14th: Eli Rosenblatt & Correo Aereo

April 27th: Julia Massey


Press Release:
Seattle's Empty Sea Studios Delivers Live Concerts To Your Home Via the Web


Though one of Seattle's smallest music venues, Empty Sea Studios has built an unmatched reputation in the past three years for uncompromising sound, a lineup of national and international artists, and a music-focused experience. It's no wonder that most shows sell out the venue's 40-seat capacity. Over the past few years, the studio has attracted artists from a number of different genres including Kelly Joe Phelps, Mirah, John Doyle (Solas), and multiple Grammy winners such as Mike Compton, David Grier, and the Indigo Girl's Amy Ray.

Now, Empty Sea's unique concert experience is accessible to a much larger audience. Starting March 10th, the studio will webcast the majority of its concerts live in multi-camera HD video and CD quality audio. Anyone with a computer and a broadband connection will be able to tune in from around the world, enjoying the venue's concert programming either live or on-demand.

"To my knowledge, we are the nation's third music venue to offering regular webcasts which are multi-camera (a key element for retaining viewer interest) and with a dedicated sound engineer," says studio owner Michael Connolly. The first two were the Met in New York and the new 2,500 seat home of Austin City

"My goal is for our broadcasts to 'over-deliver' when it comes to video and audio quality," reports studio owner Michael Connolly. "That's what we've done with our in-person concert experience, and it's earned us a serious reputation with artists and listeners. We've hired a seasoned video crew with years of live broadcast television experience to create the equivalent of a concert film in real-time."

"High-quality webcasting for concerts isn't just about increasing our venue's capacity," says Connolly. "There's a huge potential for working musicians to reach a much broader audience than they could on the road. I believe the 120 online viewers we saw for our pilot show is just the tip of the iceberg. It's not difficult to imagine exposing some of our wonderful artists to a global audience in the thousands per show, if not more. That represents a major shift in the opportunities available to an independent artist."


For $4.99, web viewers can purchase access to a single two-hour concert,
either live or on-demand for viewing at their convenience. An $8.99 monthly
subscription gains access to all scheduled live shows, plus a growing archive
of on-demand content.

Click HERE to sign up or learn more:




blog date 03/13/2012  | comments comments (0)

Pickathon Lineup & Interview with Founder

Pickathon Lineup Announced

Pickathon, one of the most cutting-edge roots music festivals in the US, has announced its lineup for 2012. From August 3-5, the hills and woods around Pendarvis Farm, located just outside Portland, Oregon, will be packed with music lovers of all ages. And the 2012 lineup reflects the kind of programming diversity that is a hallmark of the event. To better understand Pickathon’s programming, Hearth Music interviewed Pickathon founder Zale Schoenborn for a lively chat about where the festival's been and where it's going. Check out the interview below.


Hearth Music Interview with Pickathon Founder Zale Schoenborn


I'm talking on the phone from his home in Portland, and Zale Schoenborn, one of the key Pickathon founders, sounds remarkably relaxed for someone whose festival is about to drop a full lineup. Maybe it's because he's working for the first time with a national publicist, whereas before he'd have to call up national press outlets to get articles. Or maybe he's used to the pressure, after all, Pickathon's been around for 14 years now!

The 2012 Pickathon lineup is chock full of accepted indie bands, like Dr. Dog, Neko Case, Blitzen Trapper, Phosphorescent, Alela Diane, and plenty more, but Zale wants to talk about the smaller bands, the 50% of the festival designed only for showcasing fascinating artists, regardless of whether anyone’s heard of them or not. Talking about Los Cojolites, a Mexican son jarocho ensemble, he’s bursting with excitement about discovering their sound, a regional Mexican tradition that hasn’t been heard in the American mainstream since Richie Havens co-opted an old song called “La Bamba.” “It’s like country music from a different location,” he says. “It totally translates. It’s so infectious and so good that it doesn’t even seem foreign when you see it. It’s totally related to string band music to me but it will blow people’s minds…”

Zale was a particularly hard person to interview, not because of his personality, which is open and joyous and easily excitable, but because he’s the kind of music lover who just wants to share his excitement and it’s easy to get swept up in that. I got the feeling that he loves finding out what kind of music a particular person likes, then finding a common ground to that music. And I think he programs Pickathon that way. Gets all his friends together and just talks back and forth about all the music they’re currently most excited about, genre divisions be damned. At one point he confessed, "Your initial intention when you put together a festival is to please yourself, right?”, and as festival producer myself, I couldn't agree more! The current Pickathon lineup certainly supports this idea, with innovative encursions into “world” music groups like Mali’s Vieux Farka Toure and Quebec’s Genticorum. I wanted to get to the bottom of his booking philosophy, so I opened by asking about these world artists.

Hearth Music: Let’s talk about the line-up. It almost seems like you’re moving a bit towards world music. I noticed, aside from Genticorum, you also have Vieux Farka Touré. Is there a desire to move towards world music at all on your part?

Zale Schoenborn: No, we don’t do anything consciously. We kind of first collected everybody’s favorite 20-30 records, right, that they thought was happening in various music scenes at that moment. We ended up with 600 records that were all from the end of last Pickathon through coming out with new records in 2012, and [Vieux Farka Toure’s album] was one of them that really surprised us. I’ve always loved the relationship between the blues and Mali… That relation almost to R.L. Burnside; there’s kind of a trance-like quality to it… And that relationship, and that essence of how amazing the music is, was our criteria for deciding that that band…

We’re not necessarily trying to be world, but we definitely love to tickle the music lover inside of everybody to turn them on to something completely different. That said, we do have a couple of folks from outside the country that we don’t usually have the luxury of drawing.

HM: Like who?

ZS: We have Kitty, Daisy and Lewis, who we’ve been trying to get for years… they opened for Coldplay the last time they were in the States, but they are so Pickathon. I mean, they are huge in Europe, they are absolutely a ginormous band in England but the style of music that they play is retro-country-blues… Then you can go in the totally opposite direction like Los Cojolites which is the son jarocho music… They are just unbelievable, my friend, they are so good! They are this crazy band we discovered in the heartland of the Veracruz scene. They have been described to me as the Avett Brothers of that world. They don’t speak English, so we’re going to be handling them but it’s just such awesome string band music!

…I realized that there are so many smart people who care deeply about different music than I do, and that I should, at least, listen to those people. We should completely look at all this 'under the rug' stuff… what gets people excited in a particular world and then, a lot of the times, they’re right. They may or may not be your home base of music, but when you look at this music, and you have never heard of it, it may be the most exciting thing going on for a particular community. Bruce Molsky, Danny Paisley is another example. He’s never been to Oregon... He is the darling of all of those people in Nashville. He’s looked at as the best living singer in bluegrass music. He’s just amazing; he’s just flat-out got it… And Ted Jones is another guy. He’s 24; he looks just like Jesse McReynolds, but he believes it. When he’s playing, he’s cross-picking mandolin. He kind of sounds like the Delmore Brothers. He’s super young; he’s just tearing it up, like this old school style, completely oblivious that his music doesn’t translate really well. No machine behind him, nothing, but he’s like looked upon by the folks who love this music like myself. My dad, who only likes bluegrass, looks at those two bands as the folks he cares about to see at Pickathon. He doesn’t know who anybody else is.

HM: Didn’t Pickathon come out of Portland’s old-time scene?

ZS: I played bluegrass before I was even interested in old-time. My friends don’t give a rat’s butt about old-time. They draw this kind of imaginary line that says, ‘That’s not bluegrass.’ You probably know what I’m talking about, it goes the other way with old-time to other scenes. People draw these imaginary lines. So, we didn’t care about those imaginary lines even in the beginning which was an absolute curse for us. Those scenes, the hard-core, built-in scenes don’t want their music mixed.

HM: When you were starting off, how did you deal with trying to please the bluegrass community, the old-time community, the indie community?

ZS: We didn’t... That’s what has started off as our biggest weakness. We were destined to be 200 people including musicians, or smaller. For 7 years, 6 years, we were under 300 people, because it’s just like you’re taking a bunch of music that is not necessarily transcending popular culture in the first place, and then you’re crossing these kind of imaginary lines where all these communities love their music in pure forms or they think they do. They want to go to a Blues Festival. They don’t want to go to a Blues Festival that has Celtic music at it. The Celtic people want to go to a Celtic festival. So, we always felt passionately as musicians and as music-lovers that you can do this because most people love a lot of music and it’s not a big deal. It should work eventually… at least we’re enjoying it, the musicians enjoy it. So, let’s just continue… And then the indie thing crept in as we started moving to Pendarvis. Indie was becoming more of an infused part of what we do. And then, the last 6 years the doors are just completely broken down.

HM: At Pickathon, do you see examples of the walls being broken down like an indie crowd going crazy over a super hard-core folk performer or a folkie crowd going crazy over an Indie band?

ZS: Totally, all the time, everywhere . When we schedule, you never can be in a safe zone. We won’t allow the music to kind of be in one continuum at one stage… But the musicians, I think that is our most common feedback, is they just love that kind of cross-pollination. Musicians, it just blows their minds, they walk away completely wanting more and it feels like a big reason why they really want to come back so strongly is, the experience is just so emotionally, intensely overwhelming, to have that kind of crazy talent. And it’s crossing so many boundaries, it just kind of blows your mind… We just expect that people who are open are going to discover a lot of stuff and we love the whole mixture of it.

HM: How long has Pickathon been going and who really started the festival at the very beginning?

ZS: I started it with my wife and my brother. My wife, Wendy, my brother, my mom and friends. We just started it and I just sucked everybody in. That was 14 years ago this year… That was 1999. We did it at Horning’s Hideout and I think right around year 7, we got booted out of Horning’s Hideout in the middle of June with the festival in late August. It was brutal! We had to basically move… and we went to a place down in Woodburn, Oregon for a year. In that place, since it was a big hayfield, we learned how to run a production. We were just putting music in a campground up to that point and at year 7, when we had to move to a big, giant field, we were like, ‘Oh, crap! How do you do water? How do you do electricity? How do you do bathrooms? How do you shave? How do you do all this stuff?’ From the middle of June to August, we had to patch together all of this. That was the year we had The Be Good Tanyas and Jolie Holland and Freakwater Reunion. And then, after that, like I said, that place imploded. And then this will be our 7th year, we went to Pendarvis Farm, which was a farm that was really nothing like it is now… They kind of got into us and we slowly introduced and started growing at Pendarvis Farm. We just took off! We had 700 people the first year at Pendarvis total and now we’re up to 5500, if you include the staff, musicians and 3,000 paid.

There’s 5 partners now in the whole festival which are totally important. My brother Eric who does the website. Terry, you’ve met Terry, he’s the one that works full-time on the festival, who books the festival, who does all of the running of the festival. And my brother does all of the web, the conceptual design, and the art. I love the curation of music, I’m involved in everything too, the general person. And then Ned Failing… he’s our straight man in a lot of ways… the guy who actually keeps a bunch of wildly creative types functioning. Then we have a hospitality guru, who’s been cooking for us since day one of Pickathon, used to cook for the whole festival… His name is Michael Dorr. He’s just an absolute genius with people. He has been a huge reason why Pickathon is so comfortable at the festival.

HM: I remember maybe 4 or 5 years ago, there was an article about Pickathon that talked about the phrase, “indie roots.” I think it credited that phrase to you and to Pickathon. Do you feel like that you developed a genre or kind of built a middle ground between indie and between roots music that became indie roots?

ZS: I think four years ago, we were more identified with thinking that’s what we were doing for sure. Up to even 2009, that really was like a theme. It’s starting to have a lot less meaning for us, realizing that we don’t necessarily need that kind of label. It was something that helped people understand what we were doing different and maybe it’s still helpful in a general context… We feel more confident in the fact that, ‘Hey, this is just great music’ and people are going to catch on and gravitate for the fact that this is something different and people are going to be okay with crossing a lot of ground.

HM: Well, okay, let me expand the question. Now that you feel that the festival is financially secure, like you’re going to have enough people there, do you feel now that you can make the decisions in programming that you couldn’t make when you were trying to attract a large crowd? Do you feel that at some point you had to sacrifice your vision in order to get people in?

ZS: No. We’ve been foolish enough to never really care about that and just believe that quality would work over time. So, I still feel that way. Our line-up is crazy, I really think that if you look through this and marked who’s obscure and who’s not obscure, a good chunk of this, 50% of our line-up, is close to zero draw in Portland. We always have been doing that, it’s just that the choices we get to make are just a lot easier for us because we do have all this love from the community artists and booking, and now we have a history with them. They’ve had a great time; it’s working; they’ve actually seen their market grow substantially after playing Pickathon, and so the eco-system is starting to re-inforce itself… It’s becoming easier to program Pickathon; we’re having to do a lot less explaining of ourselves. We don’t take that for granted at all, we are super-honored that we have this ability now to be more, instead of the begging side, more of a curating side.

HM: Right, right. So how did you survive for 7 years when you had relatively small audiences? How did you manage to keep that going?

ZS: I have a day job. It’s called a day job. The festival never even broke even until year 10.

HM: Holy shit! [laughing]

ZS: That’s called 'for the love of it,' right? [more laughing]


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